UPDATE4:26 p.m.:  All amendments were just DEFEATED by the Cons–including one from Rankin to ensure the Act meets the Charter
BREAKING NEWS:  I just spoke with Scott Brison’s Policy Advisor. Mr. Brison has presented an amendment to the Finance Committee.  A vote will be late this afternoon or sometime tonight.

Ref.: 6611875  Clause/Article 99
Page 73  Page 73
COMMITTEE STAGE
May 22, 2014
Mr. Brison (Kings—Hants)
ÉTAPE DU COMITÉ
22 mai 2014
M. Brison (Kings—Hants)
That Bill C-31, in Clause 99, be amended by
adding after line 11 on page 73 the following:
Que le projet de loi C-31, à l’article 99, soit
modifié par adjonction, après la ligne 11, page
73, de ce qui suit :
“(2) Despite any other provision of this Act
or the Agreement, for all purposes related to
the implementation of this Act and the
Agreement, “U.S. Person” and “Specified
U.S. Person” does not include any person
who is
« (2) Malgré les autres dispositions de la
présente loi ou de l’Accord, dans le cadre de
la mise en oeuvre de la présente loi et de
l’Accord, « personne des États-Unis » et
« personne désignée des États-Unis » ne
visent pas la personne qui, à la fois :
(a) a Canadian citizen within the meaning of
the Citizenship Act or a permanent resident
within the meaning of subsection 2(1) of the
Immigration and Refugee Protection Act; and
a) est un citoyen canadien au sens de la Loi
sur la citoyenneté ou un résident permanent
au sens du paragraphe 2(1) de la Loi sur
l’immigration et la protection des réfugiés;
(b) ordinarily resident in Canada.”  b) réside habituellement au Canada. »

She advised they Mr. Brison has also submitted other amendments, including one that would  ensure other Canadian laws prevail over the Implementation Act, (instead of having this law prevail over those laws).
This is essentially a formalized version of the amendment Anne Frank suggested and that Schubert and I sent to Brison, Rankin and  Cullen. The second amendment Brison put forth is a varation of one I suggested–to remove the section that prevails over all other Canadian laws
She said the NDP and Elizabeth May have submitted similar amendments. She expects support for the amendment from the NDP and Greens (although the Greens do not have a vote at  the Committee), but does not know if the Conservatives will support it.Ted Hsu will be present for the Liberals to speak on this.
The Finance Committee will begin a clause by clause review and will consider these amendments at 3:30 today.  A vote will likely take place on each amendment tonight. She was not able to say what time that would be.
You can watch on ParlVu

116 responses to “UPDATE: ALL AMENDMENTS DEFEATED Amendments Being Voted on Today Or Tonight”

  1. OutragedCanadian Avatar

    I echo the sentiments here – gutted, empty, disappointed, outraged.
    I can’t even talk about it right now.
    I will vow two things though –
    1. I will NEVER vote conservative again – ever
    2. I WILL donate to the charter challenge fund.
     

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  2. recalcitrantexpat Avatar
    recalcitrantexpat

    I hardly see how they can force anyone to do so. They aren’t going to come looking for unregistered U.S. children. And unless they start stating lineage on passports there is no way to know if your child is born in Canada.
    I for one refuse to hand my defenseless child over to such arrogant people.

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  3. calgary411 Avatar
    calgary411

    recalcitrantexpat,
    …unless someone has had the audacity to speak out about this injustice.

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  4. Tim Avatar
    Tim

    The GST would have cost $30 billion a year to repeal in 1993. FATCA is far far cheaper. It is something we are working on.

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    1. Lynne Swanson Avatar
      Lynne Swanson

      Who is working on repealing it?  Do you mean Rand Paul’s efforts in the US?  Based on how thing are going in Canada, I don’t see much happening here under this gov and I think repeal of a “treaty” under another government would be very difficult.
      Remember Liberal promises on free trade and GST?

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  5. kermitzii Avatar
    kermitzii

    Today reminds me of the day the IGA was announced. Again no consultation, no debate. We live in a fascist state.

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    1. Lynne Swanson Avatar
      Lynne Swanson

      We live in a Con state.

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  6. FuriousAC Avatar
    FuriousAC

    Interesting remarks by Senator Rand Paul yesterday: First 13 minutes touches on privacy and his lawsuit on 4th amendment violations. Pertinent to our situation.
    http://www.randpaul.com/videos-a-public-address-by-senator-rand-%5BaPIsWEN6Fdw%5D.cfm

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  7. calgary411 Avatar
    calgary411

    Did Keddy also say that RESPs and RDSPs are not taxed by the US?
    Here is what I was told by Roy Berg of Moodys:
    The answer to your question is a bit nuanced.
    1. If the sponsor of an RDSP (or RESP for that matter) is a US person then (US person analysis of the beneficiary is irrelevant):
    a. The income generated by the RDSP is taxed to the US person sponsor currently as it is earned
    b. The grant is taxed to the US person sponsor when it is distributed to the beneficiary
    c. US person sponsor must file 3520A annually
    d. US person sponsor must file 3520 annually
    2. If the sponsor of a RDSP (or RESP) is NOT a US person, AND the beneficiary is a US person then:
    a. The income generated by the RDSP (RESP) is taxed to the US beneficiary currently as it is earned
    b. The grant is taxed to the US person beneficiary when it is distributed
    c. US person beneficiary must file 3520 annually (no 3520A)
    Neither RDSPs nor RESPs are covered by the Treaty.
    I can’t see how that says the RESP and the RDSP are not taxed by the US.
    I know I paid tax to the US, apparently from something that is not covered in the Canada / US Tax Treaty. And, perhaps so has the Canadian taxpayer (through what I paid to the US).

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  8. FuriousAC Avatar
    FuriousAC

    @Calgary411:
    You know, I believe that the Conservative members of the Finance Committee have NO clue what they are talking about. Especially Keddy. I do not think he has read either FATCA OR the IGA let alone the bill itself. The only informed members are the NDP and Liberal and Elizabeth May did an outstanding job on her amendments she presented.
    There was NO reason whatsoever for not voting for Murray Rankins and Scott Brisons amendments ( and they both came at it several different ways ) to exclude Canadian Citizens and Permanent Residents in Canada from the designation of ‘US Person’, but they were shot down and there was little real discussion regarding, just NO.
    Now that should have been their answer to FATCA weasels instead of our Canadian opposition MPs who had valid submissions and well thought out arguments.
    These Conservative MPs really have no excuses because they sat and heard Allison Christians submission , Arthur Cockfield’s and John Richardson’s . All were well done and clearly indicated trouble ahead for the IGA as it stands.
    Yet, having heard they did not hear. They did not listen. I do not think they understand and that is being generous. They intend to pass this monstrosity as is and soon.
    The Conservative MPs have ALL been told by phone call, letter, petition and otherwise and now in Committee by experts yet they rejected any amendment out of hand and actually laughed about it.
    It will never be forgiven. Never be forgotten and it calls for activism in as many venues as can be exercised to kill this evil AND their political careers in the process!

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  9. FuriousAC Avatar
    FuriousAC

    @Calgary411:
    Did Keddy say that RESP and RDSP are not taxable in the US.
    YES he certainly did say that!

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  10. calgary411 Avatar
    calgary411

    Furious AC,
    Not that I’m holding a grudge, but may every last Canadian Conservative and their “Dear Leader” rot in hell.

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  11. Just Me Avatar
    Just Me

    Sorry guys, and this type of scene or even lack of discussion is happening all around the world. Very discouraging.

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  12. Duke of Devon Avatar
    Duke of Devon

    He also said that children born in Canada of 1 or 2 American parents have to apply for US citizenship before their 18th birthday in order to be considered American.
    We now know that Keddy is a fool.

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  13. recalcitrantexpat Avatar
    recalcitrantexpat

    The U.S. has no right to tax a benefit that is funded by the taxpayer of another country. It is all act of spite. But if they were to admit that then they would have to concede that C.B.T is wrong. Better to save their precious “exceptionalism” then to admit robbery of other nations.
    I thought the Americans believed self sufficiency? They should pay their own bills.

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  14. mettleman Avatar
    mettleman

    @OutragedCanadian
    I echo the sentiments here – gutted, empty, disappointed, outraged.
    I can’t even talk about it right now.
    I will vow two things though –
    1. I will NEVER vote conservative again – ever
    2. I WILL donate to the charter challenge fund.
    very sincently put……
    i feel very empty that this has happened and will be happening to “we second class citizens of canada”

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  15. FuriousAC Avatar
    FuriousAC

    Well, I sure am holding a grudge. This is totally unnecessary and it does not take a genius to figure it out!

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  16. Mark Twain Avatar
    Mark Twain

    Lynn. I sent you my comment as text. If you can use it in any form please do.

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  17. wasabi Avatar
    wasabi

    So we are approaching a situation where upwards of 4 million Canadian citizens are now deprived of their legal rights in Canada and this means that NO LAW IN CANADA should apply to us so feel free to act lawlessly and fight them to the bitter end. Everything is now on the table. Choose your battles and civil disobedience wisely as in guerrilla warfare. Attack then retreat so as to live to fight and disrupt their evil again andagain

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  18. Mark Twain Avatar
    Mark Twain

    Over and over again in Canada, NZ, Australia, European countries and the European parliament, I have seen this fascist behavior. It is just amazing. It cannot be that they are all ignorant. They all have some sort of gun to their head either from the Chicago mafia, the OECD mafia, or the OECD mafia which is controlled by the Chicago mafia.

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  19. Publius Avatar
    Publius

    @Blaze
    I am very sorry to hear about this. It sounds like your politicians were very badly informed. I think part of the problem is that everyone thinks of the U.S. as being a lower-tax country and very free market, so it is hard for them to comprehend how nationalist and at times confiscatory the U.S. tax system can be towards U.S. citizens residing overseas even in high-tax countries. None of the other countries that used CBT tried to micromanage their overseas citizens’ financial affairs so much. Sooner or later foreign governments are going to have their OMG moment about FATCA, too when the money flows out of their treasuries or finance industries.

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  20. MuzzledNoMore Avatar
    MuzzledNoMore

    What Mr. Keddy, (et al.) needs to have dumped on his desk is boxes of U.S. tax returns, all hundreds and hundreds of pages of them (names redacted, of course), so he can see exactly what must be declared to that government none of us have anything to do with. He must see for himself the hell to which he and his colleagues have now exposed millions of Canadian citizens whose welfare they pledged to protect.
    Am I angry? Yeah, you could say that!

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  21. The_Animal Avatar
    The_Animal

    I’ll be damned if I don’t civilly resist with regards to my rights as a Canadian citizen and my family’s rights in this country. My children are Canadian and my wife will BE A Canadian. If a paper is all that is keeping her from being a full-fledged citizen and a lack of a piece of paper is what is causing “Oblamer’s” bunch to call her a criminal, then they’ll see legal civil resistance coming in every damned shape and form that I can come up with.

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  22. calgary411 Avatar
    calgary411

    http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/parlvu/ContentEntityDetailView.aspx?contententityid=11861&date=20140529&lang=en
    Mr. Keddy, starting 35:37 re RESP / RDSP not taxed by the US, as well as “Citizenship” of children born in Canada to US parent(s)
    and
    answered by Mr. Rankin, starting at 38:46 re phone call with an Calgary, Alberta parent / human rights issue.

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  23. WhatAmI Avatar
    WhatAmI

    It seemed to me that maybe the government was told by the US that if the IGA is not passed as-is, the deal is off and FATCA will be imposed on Canadian banks directly. That would explain why they would not agree to even the most obvious clarifications.

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  24. noone Avatar
    noone

    So it looks like the challenge is on.
    Does anyone have a good idea on how long it would take to get a decision from the supreme court?
    It seems so obvious that there is a violation that I don’t understand why it would take so long and why it would be so expensive.
    As Peter Hogg mentioned, this singles out in a way that causes adverse consequences a good percentage of Canadian people based on national origin.
    It seems the case could be expedited. What else is there to do but sue, and get the results in a timely fashion?

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  25. wasabi Avatar
    wasabi

    Call to ALL Canadians in the area of Vancouver/Richmond
    Canada’s largest Canada Day parade is where we ought to be to show how patriotic we now feel towards Canada and our constituency MP
    http://www.stevestonsalmonfest.ca/
    http://www.kerrylynnefindlaymp.ca/the-riding/
    Does anyone here know who our Revenue Minister is?

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  26. wasabi Avatar
    wasabi

    Why mention Peter Hogg? Another coward in my opinion who could do something but doesn’t. This country needs rescuers, not wimps

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  27. Em Avatar
    Em

    On facebook Petros has written that Brock is back. Not here though. “Account Suspended” is the message I get. Anyone else having this problem?
    About yesterday’s FINA committee debacle — I’m mad as hell and I have added more to my Charter Challenge war chest.

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  28. Lynne Swanson Avatar
    Lynne Swanson

    @NoOne:  Yep. The Challenge is on.  Be prepared. It will  be long, brutal and costly.
    It will likely take years to reach the Supreme Court of Canada.
    This litigation will not be for the faint of heart.
     

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  29. WhatAmI Avatar
    WhatAmI

    @Em,
    I still cannot access the IBS website either.

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  30. wasabi Avatar
    wasabi

    Ok Peter Hogg, let’s see you get an injunction to stop the implementation until the court rulings.
    Meanwhile an anti-American tourist campaign aimed at discouraging Americans from coming here and feeling comfortable would go a long way to get back at our government for what they did. I give the finger to anyone with US plates I see driving as I point downwards to their plates. If enough tourists get the message and complain to our tourism dept and to US media you will be surprised what the effect will be. If 1 million of us just did this once a day believe me word would spread that US tourists would not come and spend money here.
    How about bumper strips that read “Welcome to Canada, NOW GO HOME (with a US flag in the corner)?

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  31. wasabi Avatar
    wasabi

    Peter Dunn is ruining things by that message which should read, temporarily offline for improvements, not giving the impression that the account is suspended. Peter…wake up! Why was that message put up in the first place?

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  32. ArcticGrayling Avatar
    ArcticGrayling

    And through all of this, the CBC and the rest of Obama’s media coddlers remain silent.

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  33. WhatAmI Avatar
    WhatAmI

    @wasabi,
    Petros has no control over the message. In fact, he was locked out and got the same message himself. Some can access the site now, others cannot. We just have to wait for the DNS and other issues to get sorted out.

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  34. Duke of Devon Avatar
    Duke of Devon

    Wasabi. Your childish ideas are counter productive. How you can imagine that stopping US tourists from coming here would help is beyond belief.

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  35. FuriousAC Avatar
    FuriousAC

    @Wasabi:
    Really. Peter had no control over the message. It is all about maintenance and proper servers to meet the commitment of high traffic levels it has nothing to do with the message that appears. I believe IBS is back up. I was just there about an hour ago. I see it is down again, but that is more to do with getting the servers able to handle the high volume of traffic at IBS these days. After the vote in the Finance Committee yesterday wherein {ALL Conservative MPs voted against amendments to exclude Canadian citizens and Permanent residents from the language in the IGA ( from the IRS ‘U.S. person designation) and their voting against taking out the override language in which the IGA supersedes privacy laws and Charter Rights in Canada.} If you think traffic is high now, wait until the word about THAT gets around!

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  36. FuriousAC Avatar
    FuriousAC

    @Wasabi:
    Showing that kind of ignorance goes against the grain of what Canada and Canadians are all about.
    Believe me, beleaguered Americans are already looking to get out of the U.S. and get out of the way of the train wreck that this current administration is.
    ONE of the main reasons for the IGA in my view. And another of the reasons the con mps voted down all amendments.
    This is going to cost them their political careers if this goes the way I think it will.

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  37. FuriousAC Avatar
    FuriousAC

    @Wasabi:
    Actually, maybe Blake’s would undertake an injunction should the IGA within Bill C-31 pass. Which I fully expect to happen.
    In my view the vote in Committee yesterday makes that inevitable. They would cost the earth but it would be worth it.

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  38. OutragedCanadian Avatar

    I can’t blame all Americans for their government. We’re living proof that gov’ts do things that the people don’t want.
    We need to direct our anger and our fingers at our government, and the US government for implementing such a shortsighted, poorly thought out, ill conceived joke of a law.
    Right now it’s the conservative party that I’m angry at . They had a clear choice, and were given some clear solutions – instead they bowed down in obeisance to the US.  Yes sir, how high sir? Can I serve you up any more Canadians on a platter, sir?

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  39. noone Avatar
    noone

    I read the following on the Senate website:
    http://www.parl.gc.ca/About/Senate/Today/laws-e.html
    “In 1998, after extensive hearings and consultation with a broad range of witnesses, the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee opposed the enactment of Bill C-220. The bill, although not a government bill, which was passed by the House of Commons, would have provided the government with the power to censor publications written by persons convicted of crimes where the publication in question was based substantially on the crime for which the conviction was entered. Senators on the Committee believed that the bill was a direct violation of section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms which guarantees freedom of expression. The Senate agreed with the Committee’s recommendation, and the bill was rejected.”
    Could this happen to the omninus budget bill? How does one have the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee look at a bill?

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  40. FuriousAC Avatar
    FuriousAC

    @OutragedCanadian:
    Has it occurred to anyone that “this poor conceived and thought out law” was really that poorly conceived and thought out?
    When you read FATCA and the IGA Canada signed it becomes clear they thought this out VERY carefully.
    Has it occurred to anyone that the IGA Canada signs catches both Canadians and Resident in Canada Americans in the net?
    INCLUDING any Americans even contemplating getting out of the US and going somewhere friendly. ( Unless of course you are the Oprah’s and Romney’s of the world, with great wealth who are buying property in Canada at a record pace.)
    Anyone with great wealth knows how to get out of the way and has long since done so. Then there are the ‘favourite sons and daughters’ who have the political and financial connections to not have to worry about such mundane things as fines and penalties. With GE owing 4 billion in back taxes and the IRS owing billions in back taxes ITSELF, we can see that it is not what you know but WHO you know that sees to it you are out of the way of the train barrelling down on US.
    And is it not clear to us all that what they are after is everything. Retirement accounts (targeted right now in the US. They intend to confiscate all retirement accounts and put them into the MYra, a government retirement plan forced on all private retirement accounts by the current admin. )
    Insurance policies with beneficiaries. If you leave insurance to your heirs, the IRS wants it before they can get it.
    I mean it is EVERYTHING. Every dime they can extort from us.
    And what galls me most is that OUR government is allowing them to do it.

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  41. OutragedCanadian Avatar

    @FuriousAC – yeah, it’s occurred to me. I waver back and forth about it. Sometimes I think that saying it was a well-designed plan to trap millions of people is just being too generous and think that it has trapped more than originally intended. Other times I think they knew exactly what they were doing.
    And it’s not just all of our money they want – they want private information about us. Nowadays information IS power and power IS control.
    I hate to sound like doomsday-ist, but I believe that FATCA is only step 1. Now that they’ve seen that Canada and other countries will submit to their economic blackmail, the gloves will come off. It’s a slippery slope our govt’ is sliding down. And unfortunately, we’re at the bottom of the slide.

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  42. AtticusinCanada Avatar
    AtticusinCanada

    Oh dear god Wasabi. The “Account Suspended” messaging has more to do with server maintenance. You should apologize to Peter, as it had nothing to do with him. Frankly, it is those who are constantly antagonistic that “ruin things” in most instances and who jump to conclusions, speaking without thought to others is no way to move forward.

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  43. Lynne Swanson Avatar
    Lynne Swanson

    “Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.” (Napoleon Bonaparte)
    I think FATCA began from incompetence.  It has turned to malice and an intent to grab information and control.
    The US used to punish people for becoming citizens of other countries by stripping us of our US citizenship. Now they punish us by trying to force our US citizenship back on us–even retroactively.
    I believe there are those in IRS and US Treasury who know full well the huge number of boomers who moved to Canada during the Vietnam era (about 100,000) are now either in early stages of retirement or nearing retirement.  That means we have the most amount of assets (entirely earned, saved, invested and taxed in Canada).  They know US Consulate told many of us we were “permanently and irrevocably” relinquishing US citizenship.
    I think there are bureaucrats in Washington who are likely Vietnam vets who think it is literally payback time.
     

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  44. Lynne Swanson Avatar
    Lynne Swanson

    @One: I hope you don’t mind if I call you One instead of noone.  I don’t want anyone to think they are a NoOne–even if that is how the American and now our Canadian government thinks of us.
    Good idea about the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee of the Senate.
    You can see from the list below that the Cons outnumber the Libs and one Independent.  Can we stomach another e-mail campaign seeing how we were treated like “no ones” on our last go-round with both House of Commons and Finance?
    The flip side of that is what do we have to lose?  I’m quite immersed in some other FATCA projects.  Could someone else see if you can locate the e-mail addresses of the members so we can contact them to plead our case?
    In the meantime, I will send an e-mail to the Clerk of the Legal and Constitutional Committee to see if I and others could urgently testify before them.  I have had no response to my request to testify before Senate Finance Committee.

    Liberals/Libéraux

    Baker, P.C./C.P.

    *Fraser (Deputy Chair/Vice-présidente) (or/ou Cowan)

    Joyal, P.C./C.P.

    Conservatives/Conservateurs

    Batters

    Boisvenu

    *Carignan, P.C./C.P.

    Dagenais

    Frum

    McIntyre

    Runciman (Chair/Président)

    White

    Others/Autres

    Rivest (Ind.)

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  45. OutragedCanadian Avatar

    @Lynne, oh, very interesting. Never thought about it like that.

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  46. Lynne Swanson Avatar
    Lynne Swanson

    @One: I  just sent an urgent request to the Clerk, Chair and Vice-Chair of the Senate Legal and Constitutional Committee asking testify before them.
    Here’s what I said:

    RE: URGENT Request to Appear Before Senate Legal and Constitutional Committee
    I am writing to request an opportunity to testify before the Senate Legal and Constitutional Committee on the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA), an American law that is about to be imposed on Canada, Canadian financial institutions and one million Canadian citizens and residents who were born in the U.S. or who have some other distant connection to the United States.
    This law directly threatens the privacy and well-being of one million Canadian citizens.  The implications of it are chilling for all Canadians.
    Legal experts have clearly informed the government FATCA violates Canada’s Charter of Rights and Freedoms. This includes Canada’s most highly respected constitutional lawyer and retired Osgood Law School Dean Peter Hogg.  Mr. Hogg literally wrote the book on constitutional law. Mr. Hogg sent the attached letter to Finance Canada advising FATCA Intergovernmental Agreement would not withstand Charter scrutiny.
    I am also attaching a copy of the brief I submitted to the House of Commons Finance Committee before I testified before them.
    Yesterday, several amendments to the FATCA Implementation Act which is part of C31 were presented at the Finance Committee, including one I suggested.  These would have ensured the Act conforms to the Constitution, Charter of Rights and Freedoms, Human Rights Code, Privacy Act, Bank Act and Official Languages Act.  This would have ensured the rights of one million Canadians are protected.  With minimal debate, all of these amendments were defeated.
    Dr. Stephen Kish and I retained prominent constitutional lawyer Joseph Arvay to provide us a legal opinion on the constitutionality of the Act.  We did this with funds raised from Canadians and people around the world.
    After reviewing that opinion, it is our intent to commence a legal challenge to FATCA, including under the Constitution and Charter of Rights.
    We hope the Senate may review this unprecedented and misdirected law and take swift action to ensure  Canadian laws and Constitution are upheld.
    I suggest you also hear from McGill University tax law professor Alison Christians, Queen’s University law professor Arthur Cockfield, citizenship lawyer John Richardson and perhaps even Mr. Hogg himself.
    Thank you.
    Lynne Swanson

    If anyone else wants to support this request, here are the e-mail addresses.  I haven’t yet pulled out the e-mail addresses of other members of the Committee. It would be great if someone else could do that.
    lcjc@sen.parl.gc.ca
    bob.runciman@sen.parl.gc.ca
    joan.fraser@sne.parl.gc.ca

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  47. FuriousAC Avatar
    FuriousAC

    This is outstanding. I support this completely!

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  48. Lynne Swanson Avatar
    Lynne Swanson

    If someone has the time to pull out the e-mail addresses of all of the members of that Committee, it may help if we all write to them. I am NOT optimistic, but:

    “Never, never, never give up.”  (Winston Churchill)

     

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  49. GeorgeIII Avatar
    GeorgeIII

    “I believe there are those in IRS and US Treasury who know full well the huge number of boomers who moved to Canada during the Vietnam era (about 100,000) are now either in early stages of retirement or nearing retirement. That means we have the most amount of assets (entirely earned, saved, invested and taxed in Canada). They know US Consulate told many of us we were “permanently and irrevocably” relinquishing US citizenship.
    I think there are bureaucrats in Washington who are likely Vietnam vets who think it is literally payback time.”
    Lynne
    There is an escape clause have you not seen it on the offical website.
    “Does the agreement require Canadian financial institutions to report to the CRA on any individuals who were told that they relinquished their U.S. citizenship when they became Canadian citizens?
    The agreement does not require Canadian financial institutions to report on any individuals who have relinquished their U.S. citizenship and are not residents of the U.S. ”
    http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/nnrsdnts/nhncdrprtng/ndvdls-eng.html
    This is al ot worse in Europe and I doubt Vietnam Vets have anything to do with Obama and Carl Levin. Both of whom did not support the Iraqi invasion.
    Iraq war
    Senator Levin speaking at an event during the naming of the USS Gerald R. Ford
    “Levin was an early opponent of using U.S. military force in Iraq, saying in August 2002 that “if Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, he wouldn’t use them,” and that “he’s a survivalist, not a suicide bomber”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Levin

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  50. FuriousAC Avatar
    FuriousAC

    http://www.parl.gc.ca/SenCommitteeBusiness/CommitteeHome.aspx?parl=41&ses=2&Language=E&comm_id=11
    The above link is to the Senate Legal and Constitutional Committee with a list of current members, schedule, and contact links for each member.

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